Custom Control Bar Project

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Custom Control Bar Project

Postby PMCD » Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:49 pm

With my family out of town and two pins in my finger I have some time to work on a bar project or two. Making my own bar has been a great learning experience and quite a lot of fun. I found that I really like riding with a sliding hook. I am still getting used to it, but, so far it is two thumbs up. My assumption, before trying it, was that the hook would slide with the slightest movement to each side. In reality, it stays in one spot (for the most part) until I move it consciously. After a while I think moving the hook to my advantage will become second nature, similar to the when you start flying your kite without looking at it.

Below is a pic of the current set up. I need to adjust it for a bit more "throw". I am thinking of trading out the metal CL for Spectra in Poly tubing to reduce weight and eliminate something that could smack me in the head. I also want to try wrapping a Spectra CL in Low Temp Thermo Plastic to see how it works. The Sure Fire QR seems to work well but it naturally flips upside down when not bolted to the spreader bar as it was designed to be used . The donkey d**k keeps the CL in place though. Eventually I would like to change it out to for a 360 degree QR, but, that is down the road. My long term goal is to only need one QR for all of my bars. I would like to see QR sold as a separate component from bars someday. Then I would not need to buy a QR for every bar. Also, It would mean that i could choose the QR of my choice and the depower system of choice. Less expensive and more choice wins customers.

I am trying to use the KISS principle. All parts are off the shelf or scrounged from other kite gear. No specialty machined parts. I want to make two more bars. One similar to Ozone's Contact Bar and one similar to the North Bar. Both have above the bar Cam cleats. The Ozone is interesting because it is simple. The North Bar is a little bit more complex, but, it has an adjustable stopper. Eventually, I will figure out which features I want/need and build a few bars with different line lengths.

I am looking for control bar parts to create these bars. If you have Control bar parts or a whole set up that has little or no future value, make me a fair offer and clean out your garage. I have spent a lot of time in sail shops, but, I am not finding the hardware I need. They don’t carry the right size/weight SS rings and other hardware. I miss Doc Freemans. :(

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Re: Custom Control Bar Project

Postby Tuna » Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:25 am

look like it will be tough to throw that unhooked railey
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Custom Control Bar Project

Postby wylieflyote » Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:36 am

This creativity never happens in Tacoma, all we can do is ask Why?
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Re: Custom Control Bar Project

Postby Sark » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:05 pm

Because you need your fingers to throw gang signs duh....
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Re: Custom Control Bar Project

Postby C.J. » Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:12 pm

have you looked at the ACS parts warehouse on switchkites.com?

http://switchkites.com/warehouse_comp/i ... p?cPath=28

They have a lot of bar parts for pretty cheap prices. It might be a nice spot to get some bar floats, leader lines, pig tales, stuff like that. Just try and throw a bunch of stuff on 1 order because the shipping is generally a flat rate.

Oh yeah and the leashes are well worth the money. I have yet to find a leash as nice as the Switch one. I've been using mine for half a year now and have not bent any rings or had any accidental releases. Sweet!
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Re: Custom Control Bar Project

Postby PMCD » Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:29 pm

thx CJ

Switch price points are attractive. I have been making my own lines or modifying lines I have removed from other gear. I also enjoy making my own gear and because it helps me understand how bars are made. I am mostly after a couple of bars that will not be reused and and small metal and plastic parts I cant find elsewhere. I made some floats out of duct tape and pipe insulation to see how they will work. Off the shelf ghetto gear. It is really easier for me to buy parts, but, I cant find hardware that has the appropriate specs for kiteboarding. My spare parts supply is running low.


Sark,

My gang sign skills are disabled for sure. These freaking pins are the most painful part of the whole experience. When I move my fingers they poke the inside of my skin. It feel like acupuncture but bigger needles. Every time I forget they are there, the pins remind me.
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Re: Custom Control Bar Project

Postby kitezilla » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:17 am

I have always made my own bars, and one conclusion that I have arrived at is: It is a good idea to put BIG floaties on a bar. the 7 reasons for doing so are discussed in the following thread.

http://www.kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2372529
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Re: Custom Control Bar Project

Postby Sark » Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:54 am

Ouch Paul, those pins do look big. Yeah those tacoma boys wouldn't last a day with that injury. Not only could they not throw signs, it would also make holding a 40 oz in each hand that much harder. Heal up fast.

Personally I'd ditch the big metal ring below the bar as you were thinking of, I can't see much of an advantage over a traditional chicken loop with the now standard push away release, but I'm sure I'm missing something. My thought is, if it already injured you in slightly overpowered conditions, it may be a good idea to redesign that particular element in your system.

Speaking of bars and releasing kites etc...I had to completely let my kite go on sunday after a bridle snapped and my kite became a looping mess(first time releasing everything, well on purpose anyway :D ). The initial QR and leash both released nice and easily even though they were pretty loaded up since my kite was constantly looping. Kite continued loops even after first QR was pulled. I got a tiny cut on my pinky as I pulled the leash release (I was grabbing the release handle a bit low) and the little metal finger flicked across it really fast and hard as it released. I was very happy with how well the standard safety sytem worked(push/push) under load overall. If you don't have a good push away QR, I have a redline bar(2010) I'd let go for cheap if it fits your needs, just needs a new sheeter strap(pull/pull webbing type) PM me if interested.

Oh yeah thanks Michael and Pierre for the assitance in grabbing my kite! You guys rock.
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Re: Custom Control Bar Project

Postby bambam » Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:23 am

Guys, we went through all of this back in the 2000/2001 timeframe. We were all using snap shackles, sliding bars, side pull releases, and most of our stuff was also hand/garage built. With the advent of good chicken loops and push away systems around 2007-2008, our crappy home built stuff went into the garbage. The industry has come around with very good bar/release systems, and I have to question the value of what your up to? Obviously from the x-rays, your system is not nearly as "safe" as you might like to believe.

Be careful with shackle concepts... Many have been badly hurt and others are gone because of them...

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Re: Custom Control Bar Project

Postby Emtman » Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:41 pm

buy a BWS bar and one of these. Perfection!

http://www.airpadrekiteboarding.com/kit ... dynabar-v7
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